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Did I miss something? In the listing of specs and comparisons for the 2 trim levels there is no talk of navigation
openminded said:For the cheapest solution, you could use an old Android phone and connect to the Bolt's hotspot. Data service for that is $10 per month according to GM.
Most cars with nav systems have it as an option only on the highest trim levels or bundled with packages like high end stereo systems. Auto makers use third party software and data, need to pay for it, and pass that cost (and them some) along to consumers. Map updates typically run about $150 per year so to stay relatively current costs more than the $10/month.GetOffYourGas said:openminded said:For the cheapest solution, you could use an old Android phone and connect to the Bolt's hotspot. Data service for that is $10 per month according to GM.
You shouldn't have to pay $10/mo for something like Navigation. Maps don't change daily, and we shouldn't have to use data in order to pull them constantly. Not to mention the fact that when I want maps the most is when I'm in the middle of nowhere. And often I don't have cell service in the middle of nowhere. And I'm not talking about the wide open desert out west. There are plenty of places in the mountains of NY where I lose service.
It IS an option, it's just not offered the same way you are used to seeing it. Utilize the built in 10" screen. I consider it a bargain that for <$100 plus $10/m (if you are in the extreme minority that don't already have a phone with a data plan) you can get a phone or tablet and data plan.GetOffYourGas said:All well and good. But on a car that starts at $37,495, built-in navigation should be at least an option.
Well, I'm sure there's a data cap on that $10/month fee. And the problem with using the WiFi hotspot is that your cell phone will go wild with updates and other activity because it thinks it's on a free connection, and that can eat up your data allocation pretty fast.openminded said:For the cheapest solution, you could use an old Android phone and connect to the Bolt's hotspot. Data service for that is $10 per month according to GM.
DucRider said:It IS an option, it's just not offered the same way you are used to seeing it. Utilize the built in 10" screen. I consider it a bargain that for <$100 plus $10/m (if you are in the extreme minority that don't already have a phone with a data plan) you can get a phone or tablet and data plan.GetOffYourGas said:All well and good. But on a car that starts at $37,495, built-in navigation should be at least an option.
SD card or CD/DVD based systems are expensive to update and always at least 6 months out of date. They also don't have anywhere near the POI information that can be obtained thru web based mapping programs.
If you want a Honda Fit with Nav, you have to step up from the base to the EX-L ($5K) then pony up an additional $1K for the Nav system itself.
Adding Nav to a Ford means upping at least one level from the base trim, then adding option packages that run from about $1300 to $2500+, plus $150/yr for map updates
For 99% of potential owners, using a smartphone app is cheaper, familiar, offers choices (not locked into whatever clunky UI the automaker has chosen), and perhaps most importantly - always up to date.
Google Maps has a feature called "Offline Areas" that lets you pre-download maps while you have a connection (WiFi, for instance) so that you can use them in an area without cell coverage, or with your data connection turned off. And there are other offline map applications for Android phones as well.GetOffYourGas said:No, I'm sorry, but that is not always an option. Read my original post again. It's not about having a cell phone or not. Even with a cell phone, there are plenty of places with zero service. Yet those places often have a clear view of the sky. GPS will still work, but if you require data service to have a map to overlay with your position, it is useless. Admittedly, this is an atypical use of the Bolt - driving it somewhere without cell service. But it is bound to happen.DucRider said:It IS an option, it's just not offered the same way you are used to seeing it. Utilize the built in 10" screen. I consider it a bargain that for <$100 plus $10/m (if you are in the extreme minority that don't already have a phone with a data plan) you can get a phone or tablet and data plan.GetOffYourGas said:All well and good. But on a car that starts at $37,495, built-in navigation should be at least an option.
GetOffYourGas said:All well and good. But on a car that starts at $37,495, built-in navigation should be at least an option.
...unless you connect the phone to the car's WiFi hotspot.Geo said:You would be using the phone's data plan, not the car's.
This is what I would consider "tightly integrated""michael said:My Focus electric had nav and it was tightly integrated to the power system. It continuously calculated range and mileage reserves to the destination. This is very important in a electric car although not needed and not present in the volt
If all those are integrated into a nav app, it becomes much more useful.Breezy said:During her CES keynote Mary Barra mentioned EV-specific routing to maximize range or stop at charging stations.
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Another way we are looking to save everyone's time is by offering navigation with EV-specific routing.
With EV Navigation mapping, Bolt EV gives options -- like routes that maximize your range or provide access to charging stations.
Bolt EV also offers an advanced range predictor, which accurately estimates driving range based on topography... temperature... and driving habits.
DucRider said:This is what I would consider "tightly integrated""michael said:My Focus electric had nav and it was tightly integrated to the power system. It continuously calculated range and mileage reserves to the destination. This is very important in a electric car although not needed and not present in the volt
If all those are integrated into a nav app, it becomes much more useful.Breezy said:During her CES keynote Mary Barra mentioned EV-specific routing to maximize range or stop at charging stations.
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Another way we are looking to save everyone's time is by offering navigation with EV-specific routing.
With EV Navigation mapping, Bolt EV gives options -- like routes that maximize your range or provide access to charging stations.
Bolt EV also offers an advanced range predictor, which accurately estimates driving range based on topography... temperature... and driving habits.
My Fit EV nav offers 3 routing choices: fastest, shortest (less miles), and most economical. Usually, at least 2 out of the 3 are the same route. It looks only at speed limits, and does not take into account traffic, terrain or weather. I'm not sure if it accounts for stoplights, stop signs, etc.
GetOffYourGas said:openminded said:For the cheapest solution, you could use an old Android phone and connect to the Bolt's hotspot. Data service for that is $10 per month according to GM.
You shouldn't have to pay $10/mo for something like Navigation. Maps don't change daily, and we shouldn't have to use data in order to pull them constantly. Not to mention the fact that when I want maps the most is when I'm in the middle of nowhere. And often I don't have cell service in the middle of nowhere. And I'm not talking about the wide open desert out west. There are plenty of places in the mountains of NY where I lose service.
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