GetOffYourGas
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Re: Battery Climate Control?

Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:45 pm

IMAdolt wrote:I was under the impression the TMS will kick in weather or not it's plugged in running or not running till about 30% SoC? Seems silly to allow for battery damage in extreme weather to save a few watts of power for driving.


It will, and I have seen it do just that (and reported in the energy use screen). The temperature threshold for the TMS is lower when the car is off and unplugged, but it will still turn on to prevent damage.
~Brian

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gpsman
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Re: Battery Climate Control?

Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:35 pm

Do the batteries really get damaged at any low temperature, or just become unusable?

These are “dry” cells. Not sure what, if anything can freeze.

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Re: Battery Climate Control?

Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:11 pm

gpsman wrote:Do the batteries really get damaged at any low temperature, or just become unusable?

These are “dry” cells. Not sure what, if anything can freeze.


Our batteries have a liquid electrolyte, which can absolutely freeze. Lithium batteries without a liquid electrolyte are referred to as "solid-state" batteries. They are underdevelopment, but not yet employed by any EV on the road.
~Brian

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Re: Battery Climate Control?

Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:51 pm

OK... Cold REALLY affects DCFC.

I’m only in San Francisco cold. So overnight cold soaks in the 40’s.

When I DCFC the charge rate follows pretty much a bell shaped curve. Slow to start, fast in the middle, slow at the end. But on a warm day with warm battery, I start with maximum charge rate.

Today, the car cold soaked all night at 48’F or 49’F.
I drove it ~30 minutes on the freeway, which warmed up the cabin, and you would think, the use, would warm up the battery.

It’s now 52’F outside. I’m thinking my HV battery pack is at least this warm, probably warmer from the 30 minute drive.

On a 50kw DCFC just now (which delivers 46 kw to the car on a warm day), the car is only taking 32 kw.

DCFC rate is reduced by 30% with temperatures in the 50’s. Which turned out to be 15 kWh hours, or 25% charge in 30 minutes on the fastest DCFC available. (16% to 41% in my case)

As the battery warmed up, the charge rate gradually ramped up.

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Re: Battery Climate Control?

Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:07 pm

We just got a break in some pretty cold weather here in new England.

From my observations during the coldest periods, the battery temperature seems to be maintained at a similar energy regardless of being plugged in or not.

I don't drive the car every day and I leave the car plugged in to my level 2 evse juicebox which logs all charging or conditioning in a graph
After watching the kWh drawn to condition the pack for several days plugged in, I unplugged the car for a similar period of time and based on the percentage of charge used for conditioning recorded by the car, i saw just about the same kwh used.
Looks like the conditioning cycles run at about 6 hours off 30 minutes to over an hour on or .7kw to 1.5 kw per cycle.
Thermal camera looking at the fluid hoses saw 70- 80 degrees on the exterior of the hoses while the conditioning was active.

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