Could you be more specific? Are you referencing the Model 3? Musk promised a 215 mile EV, check, well appointed for $35k, check, available by end of 2017, check.SeanNelson said:GM under-promised and over-delivered. Tesla did the opposite. Guess which strategy I like better?
Well I'm specifically referring to the Model S75D, since that's what Consumer Reports tested. While CR's tests didn't follow the specific EPA range test protocol, it's still significant to me that the Bolt exceeded it's claimed EPA range while the Tesla failed to reach it. In my mind that casts some doubt on Tesla's range claims, and one has to wonder if the base Model 3's claimed 220 mile range might fall prey to the same issue.Dgodfrey said:Could you be more specific? Are you referencing the Model 3? Musk promised a 215 mile EV, check, well appointed for $35k, check, available by end of 2017, check.SeanNelson said:GM under-promised and over-delivered. Tesla did the opposite. Guess which strategy I like better?
GetOffYourGas said:The Bolt's achilles heel is still charging. Single-charge range is great. Once you get above ~150 miles, though, you are mostly talking about long trips. You can assume that one would need to charge along the way. Where can you charge a Bolt? Not nearly as conveniently as a Tesla. And when you do charge the Bolt, it maxes out at 60kW, versus over 100kW for the Tesla.
ArthurL said:Remove check mark please. $35k version of Model 3 will not be available until mid 2018. Only the $44k "base" model which will run $60k with bells and whistles. The $35k is a "base" model as well. Are you on the waiting list? No? Maybe in 2 years or sooner it will be available to you...if this weeks 60,000 cancellations continue even sooner.
And if those 60,000 cancellations reallllly wanted an electric car.....which one will they now buy? The reason they cancelled according to Elon was the wait period. By the end of 2018 if federal incentives are not extended those on the back end of the line will only have state incentives available.
No doubt it's a sweet car, but over promised with unstated exceptions to those promises.
You make a valid point and it does remain to be seen if the Model 3 can deliver the range promised. Without knowing the size of the battery, we can only speculate.SeanNelson said:Well I'm specifically referring to the Model S75D, since that's what Consumer Reports tested. While CR's tests didn't follow the specific EPA range test protocol, it's still significant to me that the Bolt exceeded it's claimed EPA range while the Tesla failed to reach it. In my mind that casts some doubt on Tesla's range claims, and one has to wonder if the base Model 3's claimed 220 mile range might fall prey to the same issue.Dgodfrey said:Could you be more specific? Are you referencing the Model 3? Musk promised a 215 mile EV, check, well appointed for $35k, check, available by end of 2017, check.SeanNelson said:GM under-promised and over-delivered. Tesla did the opposite. Guess which strategy I like better?
alevek said:GetOffYourGas said:The Bolt's achilles heel is still charging. Single-charge range is great. Once you get above ~150 miles, though, you are mostly talking about long trips. You can assume that one would need to charge along the way. Where can you charge a Bolt? Not nearly as conveniently as a Tesla. And when you do charge the Bolt, it maxes out at 60kW, versus over 100kW for the Tesla.
The lack of a charging network is way overstated. It's only a factor for the 1% of people that think driving a long distance in a car is a fun thing to do. In 3 years with a Model S I've never used a Supercharger.
stolenmoment said:I think that you just made the case for a PHEV. My CMax has only 25mi in the battery (yes, I'd like more, but me and my 6'4" son don't fit in a Volt), but 600mi in the gas tank.
I'm the guy who doesn't use any gas during the week, only on the longer weekend trips.
I *am* thinking about a Bolt next time though. By the time my CMax dies, there will be Bolts coming off lease!
GM has consistently over-delivered on the specs for the car, and generously so. Before the reveal of the official EPA range, all they would claim is "at least 200 miles" - but they beat it by almost 20%. Contrast with Tesla which claimed "at least 215 miles" - which they only beat by about 2.5%, assuming that (a) the announced 220 mile range will be their official EPA figure and (b) that it's not overstated.Dgodfrey said:I am very surprised and impressed though with how well the Bolt performed especially given these were highway speeds.
SeanNelson said:GM has consistently over-delivered on the specs for the car, and generously so. Before the reveal of the official EPA range, all they would claim is "at least 200 miles" - but they beat it by almost 20%. Contrast with Tesla which claimed "at least 215 miles" - which they only beat by about 2.5%, assuming that (a) the announced 220 mile range will be their official EPA figure and (b) that it's not overstated.Dgodfrey said:I am very surprised and impressed though with how well the Bolt performed especially given these were highway speeds.
SparkE said:But my ICE is 'only' 12 years old, and is a PZEV (if anybody even remembers that term... maybe it is particular to California?). PZEV is a CA rating for 'extremely clean burning gasoline vehicle' (PZEV = Partial Zero Emission Vehicle. govts and their acronyms!) .
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