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Re: The Chevy Bolt Is the Ugly Car of the (Very Near) Future

Thu May 11, 2017 7:45 pm

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It's also not an economy car, though it does have some cheap features.


It is an economy car, the fact that it's expensive doesn't change the fact it has a low-rent interior full of hard-touch plastic and cheap seats. If GM replaced the battery, and electric powertrain with ICE components, the savings may have provided the potential to have luxury on par with Cadillac. Something has to give...at $40K, you can have a car with a 60kWh battery, or an upscale interior. People that buy the Bolt choose the former.
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Re: The Chevy Bolt Is the Ugly Car of the (Very Near) Future

Thu May 11, 2017 9:24 pm

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phil0909 wrote:
It's also not an economy car, though it does have some cheap features.


It is an economy car, the fact that it's expensive doesn't change the fact it has a low-rent interior full of hard-touch plastic and cheap seats.


I get what you're trying to say, and I largely agree with it. But regardless of how you'd like to define it, an economy car is an inexpensive car. And the Bolt just is not inexpensive. You are entitled to say it has economy seats or economy doors or an economy dash, but it is not an economy car. Because it costs a lot more money than an economy car. That's all there is to it.

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Re: The Chevy Bolt Is the Ugly Car of the (Very Near) Future

Fri May 12, 2017 4:41 pm

Fair enough, Phil. Perhaps economy "trim" fits better. We could also call it an affordable car that isn't all that affordable.
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Re: The Chevy Bolt Is the Ugly Car of the (Very Near) Future

Mon May 15, 2017 4:59 pm

Why argue about such a simple term. The Bolt IS an" econobox". The body is on the level of a Civic, or Sentra, BUT at more than twice the price.

Whatever you wish to call it, the Bolt IS NOT a good car value if it was gas powered. The people who want it is because they want the electric part, and are willing to pay a premium for it....

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Re: The Chevy Bolt Is the Ugly Car of the (Very Near) Future

Mon May 15, 2017 6:22 pm

powersurge wrote:Why argue about such a simple term.


Because it is wrong. Erroneous usage of a simple term is even more egregious than misusing a complex or difficult word. The Bolt is neither economical nor boxy. It is therefore NOT an econobox.

I wish I could let you slide on this one, I really do. But where would it end? Next thing you know, people would be saying things like "I could care less" and "That baserunner was literally out by a mile." Nobody wants to live in a world like that.

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Re: The Chevy Bolt Is the Ugly Car of the (Very Near) Future

Mon May 15, 2017 9:40 pm

phil0909 wrote:I wish I could let you slide on this one, I really do. But where would it end? Next thing you know, people would be saying things like "I could care less" and "That baserunner was literally out by a mile." Nobody wants to live in a world like that.

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Re: The Chevy Bolt Is the Ugly Car of the (Very Near) Future

Mon May 15, 2017 10:51 pm

Edmunds just took a Bolt for a long term test vehicle, and they posted their first few video reviews. I thought they fairly and evenhandedly addressed this issue of "what is the Bolt". Kind of touches on where this thread is going. I won't repeat their findings here, but I recommend watching the videos. They seem to have been following this and other forums, by the way. They were alert to a lot of the things said over the last six months, good and bad.

I really thought they were fair and evenhanded. No hyperbole in either direction.

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Re: The Chevy Bolt Is the Ugly Car of the (Very Near) Future

Tue May 16, 2017 3:34 pm

phil0909 wrote:
powersurge wrote:Why argue about such a simple term.


Because it is wrong. Erroneous usage of a simple term is even more egregious than misusing a complex or difficult word. The Bolt is neither economical nor boxy. It is therefore NOT an econobox.

I wish I could let you slide on this one, I really do. But where would it end? Next thing you know, people would be saying things like "I could care less" and "That baserunner was literally out by a mile." Nobody wants to live in a world like that.


Unfortunately, that last case regarding usage of literally is now considered correct. I believe Merriam-Webster added it last year or the year before. The main issue there is that the English language is a living, growing being and the lexicon is continuously updated as new words are birthed, and usage of existing words evolves. See https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/literally. The Oxford English Dictionary agrees and lists this as a correct informal usage of the word.

I've never taken the 'box' portion of econobox to refer to an actual box shape. Both of these dictionaries agree on the definition as "a small economical car". OED takes it a bit further saying "A car that is small and economical rather than luxurious or stylish." While the Bolt is not an economical, or cheap, car in price, it's interior certainly is. The car essentially brings much of the technology of luxury sedans, couples it with an electric drive train and inserts it in the standard econobox hatchback.

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Re: The Chevy Bolt Is the Ugly Car of the (Very Near) Future

Tue May 16, 2017 3:43 pm

Wow... I guess the Bolt attracts certain kinds of people....

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Re: The Chevy Bolt Is the Ugly Car of the (Very Near) Future

Tue May 16, 2017 5:05 pm

mikegrb wrote:I've never taken the 'box' portion of econobox to refer to an actual box shape.


Hello Mike - Yes, many people don't take it that way, especially younger people. But that is in fact the origin of the term econobox, which became common in the 1970s. I know, because I was there. Boxiness is the distinction between an "econobox" and an "econocar". Better dictionaries do still document this, as does Wikipedia.

This excellent video clip illustrates the process by which most dictionaries are updated these days:
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/ ... 9612?snl=1

I agree we're all saying the same thing about the Bolt - it is a moderately expensive car with a number of cheap and cheap-looking features.

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