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Re: New to EVs, buying a used Bolt in a few months. Which accessories / equipment do I need?

Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:52 am
by PackardV8
AyeJay wrote:For me the DCFC capability is important in that it potentially eliminates having to compromise and use an ICE car (owned or rented) for longer trips, or when colder temperatures, lower efficiencies become an issue.

For most of us the main point of driving an EV is to eliminate that 'carbon debt', ie: reduce our fossil fuel dependence. I don't believe when faced with a longer range trip that matters less .. probably more so. AJ


Defining our terms is all-important in a technical discussion; your longer range trip? Your colder temperatures? Out here in the intermountain west, a longer range trip is 750 miles through mountains in zero degree weather and 75-80 MPH speed limits. The DCFC infrastructure is non-existent. The Bolt is not going to be the weapon of choice in that fight.

jack vines

Re: New to EVs, buying a used Bolt in a few months. Which accessories / equipment do I need?

Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:24 am
by PV1
I’ve only honestly quick charged my Bolt 4 times in 3 years, but I still recommend getting DCFC if you have any thoughts at all about traveling in the Bolt, even for just day trips.

My LT has comfort and convenience package, which probably isn’t necessary in Tucson (heated seats and steering wheel), confidence package (rear park sensors and cross-traffic radar that has saved my car a handful of times in cramped parking lots), and DCFC.

Re: New to EVs, buying a used Bolt in a few months. Which accessories / equipment do I need?

Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:41 pm
by AyeJay
DCFC availability is WAY better than it was 5+ years ago and improving significantly even in more remote locations.

In my case (Norcal) there are several locations where I can DCFC for free. The California state government sponsors a program providing this benefit through local energy providers. The unit I use all the time is one mile from my home. If my car didn't have DCFC capability that option of 'free fuel' would be unavailable for me ..

If I didn't have off street parking and/or lived in an apartment, town home, condo without level 2 charging DCFC would be a huge advantage.

IMO: As early adopters we need all the advantages we can get!

-- I see DCFC as an option that's paying for itself in both time saved and avoided fuel (electricity) costs .

AJ

Re: New to EVs, buying a used Bolt in a few months. Which accessories / equipment do I need?

Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:00 pm
by BoltEV
PackardV8 wrote:Defining our terms is all-important..

jack vines

Jack: I understand your point that you are the exception to the rule and you do not need DCFC.

But you should understand that for the FEW of you (1 percent* of Bolt EV owners) that absolutely will NEVER need the DCFC (because if you need it only ONCE, then it was a good purchase), you have raised the cost, the other 99%* of us had to overpay:

$750 for an accessory that probably would only add $99* to the cost of the Bolt EV if it were available standard.

And I am personally convinced that GM would have made that decision to make it standard, if they could have kept the "marketing" cost of the Bolt EV to "Less than $30,000 (with original federal tax credit)". But they could not, so they made it an option!

Michael

* These are unresearched numbers used for illustrative and argumentative purposes.

Re: New to EVs, buying a used Bolt in a few months. Which accessories / equipment do I need?

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:56 am
by PackardV8
BoltEV wrote:
PackardV8 wrote:Defining our terms is all-important..

jack vines

Jack: I understand your point that you are the exception to the rule and you do not need DCFC.

But you should understand that for the FEW of you (1 percent* of Bolt EV owners) that absolutely will NEVER need the DCFC (because if you need it only ONCE, then it was a good purchase), you have raised the cost, the other 99%* of us had to overpay:

$750 for an accessory that probably would only add $99* to the cost of the Bolt EV if it were available standard.

And I am personally convinced that GM would have made that decision to make it standard, if they could have kept the "marketing" cost of the Bolt EV to "Less than $30,000 (with original federal tax credit)". But they could not, so they made it an option!

Michael

* These are unresearched numbers used for illustrative and argumentative purposes.


Obsessing on the DCFC not being standard is between you and the GM Marketing Department. We know who won the debate. Who was right is for history to decide. In the long run, we're all dead.

jack

Re: New to EVs, buying a used Bolt in a few months. Which accessories / equipment do I need?

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:17 am
by BoltEV
PackardV8 wrote:Obsessing on the DCFC not being standard is between you and the GM Marketing Department. We know who won the debate. Who was right is for history to decide. In the long run, we're all dead.

jack

That is an easy attitude for you to have, Jack: I am on my 2nd "optional" DCFC on a Bolt EV; at a now cumulative cost of $1,500.

I will bet dollars to donuts that the next EV you acquire, Jack, has some form of DC Fast Charger installed in it!

Re: New to EVs, buying a used Bolt in a few months. Which accessories / equipment do I need?

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:13 pm
by PackardV8
BoltEV wrote:
PackardV8 wrote:Obsessing on the DCFC not being standard is between you and the GM Marketing Department. We know who won the debate. Who was right is for history to decide. In the long run, we're all dead.

jack

That is an easy attitude for you to have, Jack: I am on my 2nd "optional" DCFC on a Bolt EV; at a now cumulative cost of $1,500.

I will bet dollars to donuts that the next EV you acquire, Jack, has some form of DC Fast Charger installed in it!


For true, what were options sometimes become standard equipment. Even though auto air conditioning was first offered on the 1939 Packard, thirty years later it was still a rare and expensive option. As more buyers opted for AC, the cost came down. Are there any cars built today without AC?

jack vines

Re: New to EVs, buying a used Bolt in a few months. Which accessories / equipment do I need?

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:03 pm
by BoltEV
PackardV8 wrote:
BoltEV wrote:
PackardV8 wrote:Obsessing on the DCFC not being standard is between you and the GM Marketing Department. We know who won the debate. Who was right is for history to decide. In the long run, we're all dead.

jack

That is an easy attitude for you to have, Jack: I am on my 2nd "optional" DCFC on a Bolt EV; at a now cumulative cost of $1,500.

I will bet dollars to donuts that the next EV you acquire, Jack, has some form of DC Fast Charger installed in it!


For true, what were options sometimes become standard equipment. Even though auto air conditioning was first offered on the 1939 Packard, thirty years later it was still a rare and expensive option. As more buyers opted for AC, the cost came down. Are there any cars built today without AC?

jack vines

Without AC: probably; I am not going to do the research on that one!

Is DCFC optional on any other mainstream EV sold in the US?

In 1966, the optional AM-FM radio for the Ford Mustang cost $800, while the Mustang itself cost only $2,495! This is why it was so difficult for me to find one when I purchased my 1965 white convertible Ford Mustang in the 1980s.

Re: New to EVs, buying a used Bolt in a few months. Which accessories / equipment do I need?

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:50 pm
by summit
1. get a Premier if you can, otherwise definitely DCFC option. DCFC allows out of town trips

2. a hitch for bikes & extra carrying capacity. Get the #200-lbs one, not the #100-lbs offered by dealer

Re: New to EVs, buying a used Bolt in a few months. Which accessories / equipment do I need?

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:10 am
by PackardV8
summit wrote:1. get a Premier if you can, otherwise definitely DCFC option. DCFC allows out of town trips

2. a hitch for bikes & extra carrying capacity. Get the #200-lbs one, not the #100-lbs offered by dealer


Objection, your honor. Assumes facts not in evidence. Nowhere in the OPs question did he say he intended to road trip or to haul bikes or camping gear on a trailer hitch.

That one of us finds the above a necessity does not mean all of us do. We've owned our Bolt for three years and never driven it 100 miles from home nor felt the need for a receiver hitch.

Your opinions and results obviously differ.

jack vines