gpsman
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Steering Wheel Option

Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:41 pm

In future Bolt EV’s, the steering wheel may be optional. Along with pedals.

News out of San Francisco this AM is GM is trying to get governmental approvals for test driving these cars on public roads without a steering wheel or pedals.

The car will have what amounts to an emergency stop button and not much else. This is a departure from currently used autonomous vehicles that always have fully redundant manual controls.

I could not immediately find online images, so sorry for the poor quality television photos.

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gpsman
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Re: Steering Wheel Option

Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:51 pm

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Unoffically called a “Chevy Cruise AV” by Fox News. I think we all agree it sure looks like a Bolt. I suppose AV is for autonomous vehicle.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews. ... l.amp.html

SmokingRubber
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Re: Steering Wheel Option

Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:26 pm

I'm not ready to completely trust an AV with my life. Until one beats me in a race or drives a million miles accident free on today's roads ... nope. Besides, I love driving!

I don't love traffic though and thankfully I don't get much of it around here. If I did, I wouldn't mind if Herbie handled my light work.
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GetOffYourGas
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Re: Steering Wheel Option

Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:38 pm

SmokingRubber wrote:I'm not ready to completely trust an AV with my life. Until one beats me in a race or drives a million miles accident free on today's roads ... nope.


Both will come sooner than you expect. A human cannot beat a machine for reaction time. And remember that a million miles can be accumulated by AI driving 1,000 cars 1,000 miles each. Even at the same time. All of that experience can be accumulated.

SmokingRubber wrote:Besides, I love driving!


100% with you there. It's the same reason I never gave up a manual transmission. Until I simply couldn't buy a car with one. So it will go with self-driving cars.

SmokingRubber wrote:I don't love traffic though and thankfully I don't get much of it around here. If I did, I wouldn't mind if Herbie handled my light work.


Again, I'm with you here. But if the car doesn't have a steering wheel, Herbie doesn't just handle your commute - it handles everything.
~Brian

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2011 Torqeedo Travel 1003 electric outboard on a 22' sailboat
2012 Leaf SV (traded for Bolt)
2015 C-Max Energi (302A package)
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SmokingRubber
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Re: Steering Wheel Option

Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:20 pm

Racing isn't about reaction time. It's a feel. It's like dancing. No robot can dance like a human, but they're getting closer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2r-sVyR7mk
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GetOffYourGas
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Re: Steering Wheel Option

Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:46 pm

Well you're half right.

In a drag race, it's almost all about reaction time.

In a more complex race, it's about awareness of the course, the other car(s), your own car. In this case, a computer will still be able to measure feedback much faster than a human.

I still think a computer will be able to beat a human in a race in the near future.

P.S. "Creepy" is the right word for that video. "Disturbing" also comes to mind. But it was also amusing, so thanks for sharing.
~Brian

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2011 Torqeedo Travel 1003 electric outboard on a 22' sailboat
2012 Leaf SV (traded for Bolt)
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LeftieBiker
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Re: Steering Wheel Option

Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:20 pm

Hey, it isn't "her" moves that are Creepy. It's "her" creepy demon mask.

As for no steering wheel, the Nissan IDS concept car uses a backup steering yoke that swings out from the dash if needed. I'd prefer that setup.

GetOffYourGas
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Re: Steering Wheel Option

Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:27 pm

The IDS setup would be acceptable, I guess. But that's provided that it actually gives you full control when you are driving. There are automatic transmissions, for example, that let you select the gear. But the car can and will override your decision if it thinks it knows better. Most implementations I have driving have been awful.

Another closer-to-home example. My Bolt has lane keep assist. It will tug you back into your lane if it senses you drifting. Well, many of my coworkers walk/run on the local streets during lunch time. So when I drive somewhere for lunch, I have to cross the center line to give them space. The car tugs me back into the lane (and into the pedestrian!). Yes, I overpower it, but it's really annoying.
~Brian

EV Fleet:
2011 Torqeedo Travel 1003 electric outboard on a 22' sailboat
2012 Leaf SV (traded for Bolt)
2015 C-Max Energi (302A package)
2017 Bolt Premier

LeftieBiker
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Re: Steering Wheel Option

Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:14 am

I wonder how many points the car scores if it manages to get you to hit a pedestrian...

GetOffYourGas
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Re: Steering Wheel Option

Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:52 pm

Extra points if you hit the old timer and leave the cane standing?
~Brian

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2011 Torqeedo Travel 1003 electric outboard on a 22' sailboat
2012 Leaf SV (traded for Bolt)
2015 C-Max Energi (302A package)
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