Bacardi
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Re: Is Chevy investigating seat complaints?

Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:15 pm

Gatedad wrote:The reason for the drop off was the fact that people will have to wait over a year for their Federal Tax rebates...


The GOP tax bill where some were uncertain if the EV tax credit would remain surely inflated the some of the sales Nov & Dec...However, there was an IEV article that stated that 80% of all EV owners lease (55% of PHEV lease) so this end of year theory only applies the 20% minority...

The "lease hacker" Bolt EV lease deal went viral, every lease number including the deep incentives, dealerships who participating in the deal and sales people were made public...Very easy to go to any California dealer, show the lease hacker deal, tell them to match or you're walking...

LeftieBiker
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Re: Is Chevy investigating seat complaints?

Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:20 pm

The GOP tax bill where some were uncertain if the EV tax credit would remain surely inflated the some of the sales Nov & Dec...However, there was an IEV article that stated that 80% of all EV owners lease (55% of PHEV lease) so this end of year theory only applies the 20% minority...


No. Lessees would still have gotten $2500 of the $7500 credit as a CCR. Crappy but better than nothing. I was one of the ones considering the Bolt in December if the Federal credit was ended. I was about to sign a lease on a Premiere, actually...

GetOffYourGas
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Re: Is Chevy investigating seat complaints?

Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:18 pm

How did a thread on complaints about seat comfort devolve into a debate on why sales dropped in January (like they do every year)?

Ah, the internet.
~Brian

EV Fleet:
2011 Torqeedo Travel 1003 electric outboard on a 22' sailboat
2012 Leaf SV (traded for Bolt)
2015 C-Max Energi (302A package)
2017 Bolt Premier

Evoforce
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Re: Is Chevy investigating seat complaints?

Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:59 am

GetOffYourGas wrote:How did a thread on complaints about seat comfort devolve into a debate on why sales dropped in January (like they do every year)?

Ah, the internet.


My only excuse is that the Bacardi did it!

GetOffYourGas
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Re: Is Chevy investigating seat complaints?

Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:25 pm

:lol:
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2012 Leaf SV (traded for Bolt)
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Bacardi
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Re: Is Chevy investigating seat complaints?

Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:11 am

Lol...Looking at a MY18 in pictures, it appears there were no changes for the MY18 seats, in particular the side trim looks like it can still "pinch"...I'd guess people are driving around in them now can confirm that either is or is not the case...Furthermore, there are unconfirmed rumors the MY18 production is going to be very short which one source claiming two months only and MY19 production could start as early as April...Some believe major changes are coming to the MY19 and while I could see a slight range bump and updated seats, some believe an 80kWh battery and supercruise...I believe only minor changes will be in Bolts futures for its entire generation...GM has announced that two EVs with Bolt drive-train are coming within 18 months (roughly announced six months ago) then another 18 (or 20 total) by 2023...We know one of the two using the Bolt's drive train is the Buick Encore which will remain FWD only and despite a higher price tag will have less range than the Bolt so that's why I don't think the Bolt won't gain another 20kWh...Majority of GM's EV efforts are spend on the next 20 EVs...

SeanNelson
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Re: Is Chevy investigating seat complaints?

Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:47 pm

Bacardi wrote:...MY19 production could start as early as April...Some believe major changes are coming to the MY19 and while I could see a slight range bump and updated seats, some believe an 80kWh battery and supercruise...

As best I can tell the 80kWh rumour came from someone who interpreted the overly-optimistic European NEDC rating as meaning there was a range increase over the rating that had been given by the EPA. They then reverse engineered the supposed battery pack size based on this (imaginary) range increase.

In other words: move along, nothing to see here folks.

SparkE
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Re: Is Chevy investigating seat complaints?

Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:31 am

SeanNelson wrote:As best I can tell the 80kWh rumour came from someone who interpreted the overly-optimistic European NEDC rating as meaning there was a range increase over the rating that had been given by the EPA. They then reverse engineered the supposed battery pack size based on this (imaginary) range increase.

In other words: move along, nothing to see here folks.


Wait ... I can't believe everything I read on the internet?!!? :shock:

SeanNelson
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Re: Is Chevy investigating seat complaints?

Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:37 am

SparkE wrote:Wait ... I can't believe everything I read on the internet?!!? :shock:

Nope. Just as in "real life", when consuming media, talking to friends, etc. - you need to have a bit of a skeptical mind. Many of the woes of the world stem from the fact that too many people are easily influenced because they accept information without question.

Bacardi
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Re: Is Chevy investigating seat complaints?

Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:35 pm

SeanNelson wrote:
Bacardi wrote:...MY19 production could start as early as April...Some believe major changes are coming to the MY19 and while I could see a slight range bump and updated seats, some believe an 80kWh battery and supercruise...

As best I can tell the 80kWh rumour came from someone who interpreted the overly-optimistic European NEDC rating as meaning there was a range increase over the rating that had been given by the EPA. They then reverse engineered the supposed battery pack size based on this (imaginary) range increase.

In other words: move along, nothing to see here folks.


Yeah, that's my best guess...I believe we'll see the MY19 this fall, its just extremely strange they kept the MY17 Bolt EV running until the end of the 2017 but also produced the MY18 Volt during the fall...Supposedly, to quality for ZEV credits, it ignore model years and sales, it's only the date the vehicle was produced...So perhaps we'll only have to wait another 8-10 months to see if the MY19 has improved the seats...

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