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Re: EVgo DC FC pricing changes coming Feb 12, 2019

Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:54 am

JoeS wrote:BarfOMatic, no need for such acrimony.


Yes, I have edited that post. Sigh.

JoeS wrote:
If I need a five-minute DCFC to get home, then the $1 connection fee can represent an unreasonable portion of my bill. Even though I understand the rationale, I believe it should be buried by the EVSE operator with all the other costs of running a charging station, ending with a simple ¢/kWh number.

Thankfully, EVgo doesn't play the fee game that EA is wont to do, and I appreciate that.



EVgo doesn't play the fee game that EA is wont to do

Well, they certainly used to do so , when they were pretty much the only game in town, and it was a doozy : $5 connection fee !!

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Re: EVgo DC FC pricing changes coming Feb 12, 2019

Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:05 pm

SparkE wrote:
JoeS wrote:Thankfully, EVgo doesn't play the fee game that EA is wont to do, and I appreciate that.
Well, they certainly used to do so , when they were pretty much the only game in town, and it was a doozy : $5 connection fee !!
SparkE, you're absolutely right, but that was while EVgo was under nrg Energy ownership - a legacy of the convoluted Enron scandal settlement ... I really really did not like them at that time and used them only under duress. EVgo has since divested <https://www.autoblog.com/2016/06/26/nrg-sells-evgo-fast-charge-network/>, seems to be well-managed, and have now become quite attractive after the dramatic pricing changes a couple of years ago. That Tahoe trip I took last Fall left me with a very positive impression as every one of the twenty-or-so stations I used worked flawlessly, as have all the local stations (my latest being a pre-planned midnight charge at San Mateo CalTrain coming back from SFO instead of my usual stop at Hillsdale ChargePoint).

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Re: EVgo DC FC pricing changes coming Feb 12, 2019

Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:32 pm

JoeS wrote:With the continued expansion in the number of of charging stations, I've found myself using PlugShare's filter to select the station providers of my liking. This will become more of a factor as time goes on and, at least around here in the SF Bay Area, gone are the days of being desperate for ANY charging station. Competition is great!


Must be nice. Most of us aren't that lucky. Maybe we'll catch up with where you are today in another decade. Once our governor stops making announcements and starts actually doing something.
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Re: EVgo DC FC pricing changes coming Feb 12, 2019

Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:35 pm

JoeS wrote: That Tahoe trip I took last Fall left me with a very positive impression as every one of the twenty-or-so stations I used worked flawlessly, as have all the local stations (my latest being a pre-planned midnight charge at San Mateo CalTrain coming back from SFO instead of my usual stop at Hillsdale ChargePoint).


By "Hillsdale ChargePoint" (CP), do you mean the one at "Park Place shopping" on Hillsdale ave? That one is nice (4 125A DCFC units, underground so protected from the elements, and only $0.25/kWh). I imaging that will (once again) become your go-to charge place, since EVgo just raised their prices to something much closer to Electrify America (EA).

And when driving towards the south, I highly recommend the 8-stall CP installation at NASA near the CA-85/US-101 junction. Further south, I highly recommend the 6 stall Recargo installation near Salinas at Prunedale shopping center. There's also a 4 stall EVgo "80 kW" !) EVgo installtion that opened in San Jose (at Whole Foods near the Shark's icerink on The Alameda).

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Re: EVgo DC FC pricing changes coming Feb 12, 2019

Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:13 pm

SparkE, thank you for those charging station recommendations. Yes, by "Hillsdale" I did mean the Hillsdale Avenue offramp off 101. At that Park Place garage I usually take just enough time to go to the bathroom and grab an ice cream cone and then be off ~ 10 minutes and enough to get home. I'll go back through my charging history to see if it still makes sense for me to stay signed up with EVgo's monthly plan.

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Re: EVgo DC FC pricing changes coming Feb 12, 2019

Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:57 pm

SparkE wrote:
JoeS wrote:EVgo doesn't play the fee game that EA is wont to do
Well, they certainly used to do so , when they were pretty much the only game in town, and it was a doozy : $5 connection fee !!
When was the EVGo connection fee $5?

I started with them back in 2013 and I do not ever remember such a fee.

I did, however, quickly join their premiere package after reading two well-written posts on this forum that: (i) showed mathematically that the monthly fee established a lower charging cost upon only 1 hour of charging a month; and (ii) showed how to use the EVGo app to restart charging after 30 minutes by "remote control" from the restaurant that I was dining at during the charging break.

After joining there was certainly no connection fee thereafter.

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Re: EVgo DC FC pricing changes coming Feb 12, 2019

Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:03 pm

GetOffYourGas wrote:
JoeS wrote:With the continued expansion in the number of of charging stations, I've found myself using PlugShare's filter to select the station providers of my liking. This will become more of a factor as time goes on and, at least around here in the SF Bay Area, gone are the days of being desperate for ANY charging station. Competition is great!
Must be nice. Most of us aren't that lucky. Maybe we'll catch up with where you are today in another decade. Once our governor stops making announcements and starts actually doing something.
As compared to which Governor? California has been leading the way for years and will continue to do so!

Oh, maybe you are in Kansas, where the Koch Brothers are convincing the legislature to stop subsidizing solar panels?

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Re: EVgo DC FC pricing changes coming Feb 12, 2019

Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:08 pm

JoeS wrote:SparkE, you're absolutely right, but that was while EVgo was under nrg Energy ownership - a legacy of the convoluted Enron scandal settlement ... I really really did not like them at that time and used them only under duress. EVgo has since divested <https://www.autoblog.com/2016/06/26/nrg-sells-evgo-fast-charge-network/>, seems to be well-managed, and have now become quite attractive after the dramatic pricing changes a couple of years ago.

While I agree that EVGo's policies have improved, that may well have more to do with evolution and competition, than its divestiture from NRG Energy.

All of you up in Northern California were less captive to EVGo in those days than we were down here in SoCal.

And, whereas you see the NRG Energy/State of California settlement as a glass half empty; I saw it as a glass half full when my battery was run down and the preponderance of DCFC's at the time in SoCal were EVGo! :)

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Re: EVgo DC FC pricing changes coming Feb 12, 2019

Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:57 am

BoltEV wrote:
SparkE wrote:
JoeS wrote:EVgo doesn't play the fee game that EA is wont to do
Well, they certainly used to do so , when they were pretty much the only game in town, and it was a doozy : $5 connection fee !!
When was the EVGo connection fee $5?

I started with them back in 2013 and I do not ever remember such a fee.


It was only applicable for the pay-as-you-go plan (not if one was subscribed). It was either $10 for 30 mins, or $5 connection fee ($4.95) and XXX per kWh (I don't remember exactly how much per kWh). .

That was pricing up until about a year ago - around May 2018, when the prices of all the plans changed.

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Re: EVgo DC FC pricing changes coming Feb 12, 2019

Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:47 am

BoltEV wrote:
SparkE wrote:
JoeS wrote:EVgo doesn't play the fee game that EA is wont to do
Well, they certainly used to do so , when they were pretty much the only game in town, and it was a doozy : $5 connection fee !!
When was the EVGo connection fee $5?

I started with them back in 2013 and I do not ever remember such a fee.

Connection fee for DC FCing on EVgo was going on for ages. Was in effect when I was shopping for a used Leaf in July 2015 (and likely for months or years before that) and still in effect until March 1, 2018 (https://www.evgo.com/about/news/evgo-an ... cross-u-s/). But, if you were on the old plan (no monthly fee plan) with a connection fee, EVgo would happily continue charging that. I've seen reports of that on the net including from someone I know who didn't realize they axed the fee and that you had to opt in to the cheaper plan yourself.

For CA to DC FC on the no-monthly fee plan, it was $4.95 session fee + 20 cents/minute until March 1, 2018.

Heck, I recall EVgo even charging a membership/activation fee to join. I joined during a time when that was waived (in Sept 2016).

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