Lin19687
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Re: Massachusetts / New England

Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:11 pm

I too wish that people would 'check in' when using a charger.
Makes it easier for others that are looking to charge and see what is open.

1 free CCS charger in MA that I am aware of and many don't check in. I was charging and saw a Leaf come, look around and seem kinda pissed off. Even on my OLD OLD cell phone I was able to use Plugshare.

I was at a mall waiting for a J1772 to open up so i could do a few things IN the Mall and "Checked In Waiting". I figured that people would see that and know that there is someone waiting. I also went and parked behind the 2 charging thinking they might be out soon after about 25 minutes. As I backed up for the guy who was leaving someone came over to me saying they were a Leaf and had 50%, needed to charge to get home.... Sorry I too am only EV and needed to charge too and said i would only be able 1/2 hr. The Leaf COULD go to the Nissan dealer 8-10 miles away and use the Chademo or J1772 .
Hated to not let him charge but really people need to use the plugshare app. If he had put in Waiting before me then I would have given it to him. He was gone when I came back 25 min later.


As more and more EV's come around this is going to be an issue. Hopefully there will be more J1772 around and DC's too. If not, i think the Hybrid/EV plug fight will get worse.
-Lin

SeanNelson
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Re: Massachusetts / New England

Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:49 pm

Lin19687 wrote:I too wish that people would 'check in' when using a charger. Makes it easier for others that are looking to charge and see what is open.

While I agree that it would be very nice, I think it's unrealistic to expect that everyone will (a) install the app, and (b) actually bother to do checkins and checkouts. The ultimate solution is for the charging networks to share their "in use" data with PlugShare - there's no better authority for knowing when a charger is in use than the charger itself.

DNAinaGoodWay
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Re: Massachusetts / New England

Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:26 pm

ChargePoint stopped sharing data with Plugshare a long time ago, so you have to use their app for real time usage. It also lists the the last few uses, so you can tell if a station has been used, even if the last Plugshare comment was that it was broken. The EVgo app will also tell you if a station is in use, which doesn’t show up on Plugshare.

Ideally, real time station availability should display in the car’s nav screen, so you don’t have to stop to check apps, but we’re not there yet.
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SeanNelson
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Re: Massachusetts / New England

Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:25 am

DNAinaGoodWay wrote:Ideally, real time station availability should display in the car’s nav screen, so you don’t have to stop to check apps, but we’re not there yet.

One of the cool things about Android Auto and CarPlay is that it will improve over time, unlike the rest of the car's software. And charging apps are a natural to be developed for Android Auto and CarPlay - that's where virtually every EV driver is going to want to get their information in the coming few years.

DNAinaGoodWay
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Re: Massachusetts / New England

Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:29 am

PlugShare has applied for CarPlay but apparently it’s invitation only.
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Lin19687
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Re: Massachusetts / New England

Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:26 am

Not all Charge-point chargers are ON plug share too. So that is also an issue. The one I was talking about is not listed on Charge-point and I am happy about that ;)
DNA, I just found out the CP lists last few times. I wonder if that it new as I don't remember seeing that a few years ago?

I agree that we are not there Yet and EV's should have this on their Nav systems. But I don't think it is unrealistic to have people check in with Plugshare. It is the only app that lists all the plugs and I Highly doubt that people just stumble upon a plug to use.
If more check-in there will be less upset people Especially with Winter coming. At least with the CCS/Chademo plugs. I am not too worried about the J1772 plugs as most that would use those will be Hybrids...........they have gas.
-Lin

DNAinaGoodWay
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Re: Massachusetts / New England

Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:08 pm

Plugshare participation will probably always be limited. Nature of the beast. I know people who are always on Facebook, I’m always checking Plugshare or some EV forum. Others never bother, they want their EV experience to match ICE driving. No one checks in at gas stations. But we’re not there yet either.

Actually, it stations had cameras or sensors, they could also report if they were ICEd in, maybe automatically call in a tow truck.

OTOH, what if the whole market evolves to wireless? The whole plug thing could only be temporary.
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DNAinaGoodWay
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Re: Massachusetts / New England

Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:37 pm

Just checked the Hannafords ChargePoint QC in Lowell and ChargePoint reports it’s in use and gets 4-5 users a day at least, but no Plugshare check ins for a week. It’s a drag, but for now we really have to check multiple apps if we really need to know.
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GetOffYourGas
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Re: Massachusetts / New England

Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:48 pm

Discussions like this make me envious of Tesla's network. They are well located with multiple plugs per location. You don't have to think about checking an app. In all but very few circumstances, you just show up and charge. This is the future I look forward to. Just like you don't have to check if all the gas pumps are in use because it rarely happens.

For 2017, your best bet is to plan, plan, plan. Check multiple apps. Have a plan B and a plan C. Be ready to wait if needed (e.g. bring along a book or a tablet to entertain yourself). We are still in the very early days of EV travel. But hey - it's worlds better than 5 years ago when people were packing their trunks full of adapters so they could beg to be allowed to charge at campgrounds, etc.
~Brian

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DNAinaGoodWay
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Re: Massachusetts / New England

Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:31 pm

Yeah, my 2012 Leaf waited a whole year before there was even one QC around here to use. But Tesla does it best. I’d have gone for a Model 3 if it was ready. Can’t wait to see what’s on offer in 2020.
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