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Re: The seats are a deal killer.

Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:30 am

leodoggie wrote:Excellent point, that is entirely possible.
But not plausible.

I'm 6ft 186lb and the leather seats are fine. The LTs were not, for sure.

Actually, my problem is hitting the center dash area that juts down with my right knee. I had to push the seat back quite a ways and telescope out the steering to keep my knee free moving.

Buy the way, I meant the word "rigged" in reference to all the Bolt accolades in jest.

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Re: The seats are a deal killer.

Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:35 am

leodoggie wrote:Or a 6' 3" 160 lb man.


Nearly my precise dimensions. And your point is?

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Re: The seats are a deal killer.

Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:36 am

tgreene wrote:Given the large variation in people's satisfaction with the seats, is it possible that the seats themselves are variable? Could there be a quality control issue? Have 2 people who do and do not like the seats traded cars to see if the seats are the same?


I am wondering if the difference might not be between the leather and cloth seats. Perhaps they differ in some way other than the covering material. I spent a bit of time today probing the (leather) seats looking for hard spots some are reporting, but other than the rather stiff edges, which I don't feel when sitting on them, I could not find any.

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Re: The seats are a deal killer.

Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:25 am

After seeing this thread, I felt around the seats and found the hard parts of the bolsters that appear to be the cause of complaints here. I have no problem with them, but I can see how some larger people may find the bolsters to be uncomfortable.

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Re: The seats are a deal killer.

Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:54 am

boltage wrote:After seeing this thread, I felt around the seats and found the hard parts of the bolsters that appear to be the cause of complaints here. I have no problem with them, but I can see how some larger people may find the bolsters to be uncomfortable.


Care to post your waist size? ;-)
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Re: The seats are a deal killer.

Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:15 am

I really wanted a Bolt, until I took a test drive. My wife and I both found the seats to be the worst we'd ever had in a car. I wasn't expecting the level of comfort you'd get from an old French car (laugh but my old Renaults had superb seats), but I expected something that didn't cut into me. My Spark EV has nice seats and it's a whole lot cheaper and smaller. Perhaps Chevy will address this issue and I'll be able to get my long range EV next year. A 40K car should be reasonably comfortable.

Of course if the seats are comfortable for your particular anatomy, lucky you.

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Re: The seats are a deal killer.

Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:28 am

roundpeg wrote:
Nearly my precise dimensions. And your point is?


Perhaps the point is that no two behinds are exactly the same. GM decided to move forward on a somewhat unorthodox, and minimalist seat design. Car & Driver has noted:

"Exceptionally slender front seats—made by suspending plastic sheets from metal frames and covering them with a fraction of the usual padding—leave ample room in the rear seats for adults."

With that said, it's reasonable to assume that while many find the seats acceptable / comfortable, others may not.
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Re: The seats are a deal killer.

Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:10 pm

oilerlord wrote:Perhaps the point is that no two behinds are exactly the same. GM decided to move forward on a somewhat unorthodox, and minimalist seat design. Car & Driver has noted:

"Exceptionally slender front seats—made by suspending plastic sheets from metal frames and covering them with a fraction of the usual padding—leave ample room in the rear seats for adults."

With that said, it's reasonable to assume that while many find the seats acceptable / comfortable, others may not.


Since this has been my point all along, I can hardly disagree. Where I don't agree is taking one person's experience and turning it into the sweeping statement that the "vast majority" will find the seats to be uncomfortable. I would not try to make the inverse statement, either.

Also, in the interests of science, I'd like to know if the cloth seating is being found less comfortable than the leather. I can only comment on my own experience with the leather seats so perhaps someone who has experience with the other type or is still test driving could contribute that data to the discussion.

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Re: The seats are a deal killer.

Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:41 pm

tgreene wrote:Given the large variation in people's satisfaction with the seats, is it possible that the seats themselves are variable? Could there be a quality control issue? Have 2 people who do and do not like the seats traded cars to see if the seats are the same?


It's not a quality control issue, rather, it is a seat design issue. Specifically, the plastic seat frame was poorly designed.

I'm 6'2", 210 lbs. I also found the front seat to be problematic. Decent comfort when butt in middle of seat cushion, legs straight forward. But when sitting off center, the poorly placed hard plastic seat frame at the side of the cushion can become a intrusive to the point of being a bothersome distraction. The experience is reminiscent of Hans Christian Andersen's princess who can't sleep because there is a pea under the mattress. Soft comfort interrupted by hard reality.

GM, the Bolt is a great car. Too great to allow this annoyance to be ignored. Fix it!

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Re: The seats are a deal killer.

Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:38 pm

roundpeg wrote:
oilerlord wrote:Perhaps the point is that no two behinds are exactly the same. GM decided to move forward on a somewhat unorthodox, and minimalist seat design. Car & Driver has noted:

"Exceptionally slender front seats—made by suspending plastic sheets from metal frames and covering them with a fraction of the usual padding—leave ample room in the rear seats for adults."

With that said, it's reasonable to assume that while many find the seats acceptable / comfortable, others may not.


Since this has been my point all along, I can hardly disagree. Where I don't agree is taking one person's experience and turning it into the sweeping statement that the "vast majority" will find the seats to be uncomfortable. I would not try to make the inverse statement, either.

Also, in the interests of science, I'd like to know if the cloth seating is being found less comfortable than the leather. I can only comment on my own experience with the leather seats so perhaps someone who has experience with the other type or is still test driving could contribute that data to the discussion.


Unfortunately mass produced products are designed around the "vast majority." The entire vehicle...from the fact that it's a cross-over to the general layout of the interior is designed for the majority. There are well defined guidelines and specs for ergonomic layouts designers follow.

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