Tesla Model 3 - Specs released

[elpwr]

And you have no idea what the cancellation rate is either on the model three reservations. It is purely speculation on your part as well, to what end?

You don't have to "assume" my number of available new Teslas is correct. You can go to EV-cpo.com to find them. And it is a known fact that there are a large number of available cars that are "masked" from this site. A Tesla product specialist at a service center or gallery can find many more that aren't listed here.

And no need for the snarky attitude. I have both a Model S and a Bolt and find both to be very desirable cars.

 

[Dgodfrey]

And you have no idea what the cancellation rate is either on the model three reservations. It is purely speculation on your part as well, to what end?

You don't have to "assume" my number of available new Teslas is correct. You can go to EV-cpo.com to find them. And it is a known fact that there are a large number of available cars that are "masked" from this site. A Tesla product specialist at a service center or gallery can find many more that aren't listed here.

And no need for the snarky attitude. I have both a Model S and a Bolt and find both to be very desirable cars.

I never made the claim to how many reservations were being cancelled, you did. He who makes the positive claim has the burden of proof. You're entitled to you own opinion but not your own facts. I didn't doubt your Tesla inventory number, in fact, I accepted it as true. It wasn't an extraordinary claim so doesn't require extraordinary evidence. I'm going to push back though when conjecture and speculation are implied as fact when it doesn't smell right. All you have to do is post your source like this:
"In addition to the increased orders for Model S and Model X, customer response to Model 3 has been overwhelming. Since the handover event last week, we are averaging over 1,800 net Model 3 reservations per day."
BTW, that's about as many in a day as Bolts sell in a month. Will all become orders? Certainly not, but this also shows that the tax credit is irrelevant for these customers as they KNOW they will not get one and still step up to the plate. If they don't follow through at this point after seeing the reveal and details that are flooding the net it's probably not because of the car.

http://files.shareholder.com/downlo...4-60D0032673CC/TSLA_Update_Letter_2017-2Q.pdf

 

[elpwr]

I never made a claim as to how many reservations were being cancelled. You need to reread what I posted. Quit trying to distort what I said.

 

[oilerlord]

I never made a claim as to how many reservations were being cancelled. You need to reread what I posted. Quit trying to distort what I said.

I'm curious too. I read it again, and you're right, you didn't put a number on that claim. Here's what you said:

"You can rest assured many of those reservations won't convert into actual sales."

Out of 500,000+ reservations, you seem to be quite confident that "many" of them won't convert into sales. First off, how many is many, and secondly, why are you so sure?

 

[NeilBlanchard]

Elon Musk says they now have 455,000 reservations. They been getting about 1,800 per day since the event last week.

 

[TimBolt]

I'm very happy that my Bolt lease will take me to mid-2020, when the discussion about which EV to buy will include many more models, and we'll all know whether Elon has hit a home run with the Model 3.

I'm rooting for him. If Tesla succeeds it will force every manufacturer to either raise their game or cede the growing EV market to Tesla.

The big three have been caught flat-footed before, at least GM has a player in the game.

 

[ghn]

There are a lot of negative articles on Tesla and the Model 3. Here is one that is interesting:
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4056331-tesla-bankruptcy-chances-increased-exponentially-capital-raise

No extensive testing? Will this be an issue resulting in recalls and so on? LOL I have not sold my Tesla stock, not yet anyway!

 

[SeanNelson]

Elon Musk says they now have 455,000 reservations. They been getting about 1,800 per day since the event last week.

They're going to have to be able to sustain that kind of interest if Elon is really going to be producing 10,000 cars per week by next year.

I really hope that orders keep coming in once they've waded through the backlog of reservations. So much is riding on the Model 3. If Tesla falls short, it'd be huge news that would cast a pall over all electric cars.

 

[SeanNelson]

There are a lot of negative articles on Tesla and the Model 3. Here is one that is interesting:
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4056331-tesla-bankruptcy-chances-increased-exponentially-capital-raise

That article is a few months old. The jury is still out on whether Elon's accelerated rollout schedule for the Model 3 will be successful, but Tesla has confounded the naysayers time and time again. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they learned enough from the Model X rollout to avoid at least the worst potential outcomes.

 

[ghn]

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they learned enough from the Model X rollout to avoid at least the worst potential outcomes.

I am involved in testing R&D products before release and I have never seen one the worked correctly in Beta phase. I am hoping the Tesla has enough testing done to have caught most of the major stuff. Obviously I have no way of knowing anything about what Tesla have actually done and what the likely outcome of Model 3 release will be. It is a bit worrying that Tesla seems to be skipping the kind of tried and true testing that is done throughout the industry as a matter of course. Like you I hope that whatever problems there are will be minor and the Model 3 will be a great success!

 

[SparkE]

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they learned enough from the Model X rollout to avoid at least the worst potential outcomes.

I am involved in testing R&D products before release and I have never seen one the worked correctly in Beta phase. I am hoping the Tesla has enough testing done to have caught most of the major stuff.

I second the underlined. There are ALWAYS problems. (But then. I worked in software, easy to fix after the fact. And not software to control airplanes or autonomous driving.)

 

[ArthurL]

I've seen several back and Fort on cancellations of the Model 3 so here are the numbers from Elons lips.

http://bgr.com/2017/08/03/model-3-cancellation-preorder-tesla/

Elon reported on Wednesday at earning call there have been 60,000 cancellations for the Model 3.

 

[alevek]

Make that 60000 plus one. I was very disappointed after having a reservation for over a year to see such a weirdmobile. Looks like I'll be keeping the Bolt until the Bollinger truck comes out.

 

[brorob]

One of the things I appreciate about Tesla (and other EV manufacturers) is their willingness to invest in a CCS or super charging network for their customers to use. I'm still floored that GM has said they won't invest in the CCS fast-charging network to support their vehicles, or the EV community. I live in an area where public charging stations are very limited, and the ones that are available are just Level 1 or 2. I think if Chevy wants to promote more EV sales, and be responsible in their role in the EV community, they need to help invest in an infrastructure to support it. Basically Chevy is saying they'll sell EV's but they'll let other manufacturers take the responsibility of providing the CCS public infrastructure.

Unless this has changed recently?

 

[oilerlord]

I'm still floored that GM has said they won't invest in the CCS fast-charging network to support their vehicles, or the EV community. I live in an area where public charging stations are very limited, and the ones that are available are just Level 1 or 2. I think if Chevy wants to promote more EV sales, and be responsible in their role in the EV community, they need to help invest in an infrastructure to support it. Basically Chevy is saying they'll sell EV's but they'll let other manufacturers take the responsibility of providing the CCS public infrastructure.

Tesla and GM are very different companies, and it comes from the top down. Watch a keynote address from GM's Mary Barra, then watch one of Elon Musk's. One company has global vision about embracing change and making the world a better place, the other doesn't. Tesla wants to help us be part of the solution, and offers beautiful, no compromise products to help their customers achieve that goal. As such, Tesla is committed to invest in providing the best possible charging and overall EV experience for their customers because the survival of the company (and some would argue - the world) depends on it.

GM wants to sell you a truck.

 

[Anonymous]

Make that 60000 plus one. I was very disappointed after having a reservation for over a year to see such a weirdmobile. Looks like I'll be keeping the Bolt until the Bollinger truck comes out.

How were you planning to get rid of your Bolt EV if the Model 3 worked out for you? I just leased my Bolt EV for 3 years and decided I would check out the state of the art then, just like when I leased the Chevy Volt in 2013 for 3 years.

 

[Anonymous]

GM wants to sell you a truck.

Says the member who never has anything good to say about the Bolt EV (never say never!) and drives a 2014 compliance Mercedes EV, a dirty diesel VW and two gas BMWs! Why does he spend so much time on this board bad mouthing the Bolt EV... I wonder???

 

[Zoomit]

Please stop.

 

[Anonymous]

Please stop.

Did you ask him to stop these as well?

Oh, he'll keep them coming.

Tim, it was fun watching the guy get all torqued up about the car's features (NAV, DCFC, etc) that none of us have any control over, but in the end, it got a little sad watching someone self-destruct, so I put him on ignore. It's not easy to have a rational discussion with someone that isn't rational, and with an inability to accept, and consider someone else's point of view - so I choose not to.

Though your opinion is "worthless", at least you're in a different "class" than I am with my lowly 87 mile car. I'm not sure if it's funny or sad that in one post, he managed to dismiss anyone who lives in a state with "less than 800,000" people and/or early adopters that drive 90 mile EVs - as unimportant.

You were the next post, yet silence from you...

Do you dispute the substance of my post?

Out of respect and consideration for your request, I will stop and take this issue to the moderators...

 

[oilerlord]

So much is riding on the Model 3. If Tesla falls short, it'd be huge news that would cast a pall over all electric cars.

For sure. Could you imagine if the Model 3 shipped with uncomfortable seats, or suddenly went dead - stranding a few of the first owners? It would be a HUGE deal (not just curious discussion on a few Internet boards). TSLA stock would take a hit, and analysts would start shorting it. Not a good situation for a company that requires tons of continued investment capital to cross the chasm into the mainstream. Anyone that cares about the future of electric cars needs to get behind Tesla, and hope that the Model 3 hits it out of the park.

With that said, I fully expect the Model 3 to have it's shortcomings, challenges, and even product recalls. Along with everything we love about our EVs, it should all be out in the open, and freely discussed - regardless of what we drive. It's how these cars get better.